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Like many Microsoft fans, you’re probably looking forward to the release of the Surface Book 2 and Surface Pro 5. But when exactly can you get your hands on these devices?

Well, if you’re looking forward to the Surface Book 2, it’s clear that you won’t be able to buy it anytime soon. This comes from the fact that Microsoft is not launching a Surface Book 2 this year; rather, it’s releasing a refined version of the original model and calling it Surface Book with Performance Base — or simply Surface Book 2016. Microsoft is already taking orders for it and will start shipping by mid-November.

The new Surface Book has a 13.5-inch PixelSense display (with a 3000-by-2000 resolution and 267 pixels per inch), and it comes with a 2.6GHz Intel Core i7-6600U CPU and 16GB DDR3 SDRAM. What makes it different from last year’s model is the 2GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 965 graphics card, which allows the device to smoothly handle basic games and graphics-intensive tasks and makes it ideal for power users. It also has a better battery life; Microsoft says that it can last through 16 hours of video playback, although reviewers show that this depends on the device’s brightness and other settings.

So, if the Surface Book 2 won’t be released this year, when will we see it? Well, no one is really sure since Microsoft hasn’t made an official statement, but there are rumors that it will be released on the second quarter of 2017. Tech experts surmise that the second-gen Surface Book will have an Intel Kaby Lake processor and an Nvidia GTX 10 series GPU.

What about Surface Pro 5?

Sadly, it seems that Microsoft doesn’t have plans to release the Surface Pro 5 this year. So, if you were expecting to get it for Christmas, or if you were planning to buy it as a gift for someone, you’ll want to look into other makes and models.

However, there are reports that the fifth Surface Pro tablet will be released in spring 2017 — together with the Surface Book 2 and the much-awaited but still unconfirmed Surface Pro. It will also reportedly coincide with the release of Windows 10’s second major update.

Just like with the Surface Book 2, Microsoft has not announced the features that might be included in the Surface Pro 5, but tech experts are expecting it to have Intel’s Kaby Lake processor, an Nvidia Pascal GPU, and 16GB of RAM. Microsoft-filed patents also show that the company is designing a Surface Pen with a rechargeable battery and a pen loop that attaches the stylus to the tablet through USB. If Microsoft has indeed developed these innovations, we might be able to see them in the fifth-generation Surface Pro.

Surface Pro tablets rarely fluctuate in price, so it’s safe to assume that the Surface Pro 5 will have a similar price tag with its fourth-gen cousin. If this holds true, it might have a base price of $899, with more advanced configurations obviously costing more.